I read this article in http://www.dawn.com/weekly/jawed/20070511.htm on 11/5/2007 and found it to as usual, be incorrect and way too biased. He has failed to respond to my emails in past and as such I am putting my viewpoints over here in a blog format. Judge for yourself.
The real agenda: surrender of sovereignty by hook or by crook
If I remember right it was the eminent Pakistani historian Mubarak Ali who witnessed the assault on Christian minorities in Gujarat’s Dang region some years ago. His conclusion? “We do the same with our minorities in Pakistan. The difference is we do it under martial law and you do it under parliamentary democracy.” The strangely equal rule applies also to our national sovereignty. Pakistan surrendered it to a foreign power long ago through military rule and India is getting there through a quasi-parliamentary route.
Above statement attributed to Mr Mubarak Ali would led the readers believe as if assault on Minorities have happened only during Martial Law and not at other times. This is not correct and does not corroborate the facts on ground. Assault on Minorities have been an ongoing process in Pakistan and have been prevalent during the democratic rule as well. It’s a cunning and vicious approach to take moral high ground by only blaming Martial Law. Javed Naqvi is trying to say that India is surrendering its sovereignty via quasi-parliamentary route. Can he really explain that ? It is one thing to take ones own spin on the events of the day and if it is needed to keep his job as a journalist/columnist ( I am not sure what should I be calling him but whatever definition fits him would do), that’s understandable but please don’t become ridicule yourself in this process and totally make a mockery of articles.
In fact the arriving surrender of India’s sovereignty (as reflected for example in its coerced anti-Iran votes at IAEA or in its leader’s willingness to accept the Hyde Act which requires us to follow Washington’s lead in foreign policy or the suspected deliberate prevarication on the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline agreement and finally the scaling down of diplomatic interest in the Shanghai initiative) is not being pushed so much by the parliamentary route as it is sought to be ushered through the backdoor with under-hand methods. There is an attempt to create the illusion of popular will when the actual process involves a careful subversion of that will.
It is in India’s interest to vote against IAEA as we would be better off with an Iran (which is a Islamic state) that’s does not have nuclear weapons. India should continue to do all that’s needed to make sure that Iran is not a nuclear state. That is helpful things in maintaining and defending India’s sovereignty. I am not sure how come Javed Naqvi had come to a conclusion that Iran with nuclear weapons would help India’s national interest. Javed Naqvi is so busy in spinning the things to suit his own agenda that he sometimes forget the simple facts. Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline is not in India’s interest because this supply route goes through Pakistan and as such is subject to supply disruption because of the volatile political situation in Pakistan that most of times spins against Indian Interests. Not only that we would always be at the mercy of the Pakistan’s political establishment special cyclical phases of tense relationship. And we have to bear the majority of the cost of the construction of the pipeline as well as pay Pakistan Royalty fees. Pricing of the gas is also high and not at the levels originally agreed upon. I don’t see this as long term benefit but a long term liability. We will be better off investing resources explores resources in Indian Ocean as well as Arabian Sea and Bay of Bengal. If we have to import gas, do it from a route that goes under the sea bed (if its feasible).
India is today run by the Congress party, which has fewer seats in parliament than the 153 it got even after suffering the “rout” of the post-emergency polls in 1977. The absurdity is there for all to see. A tally of 153 seats in 1977 was called a rout and a tally of 145 in 2004 is described as a mandate to overturn a foreign policy. Its percentage of votes too fell substantially in 2004 from its count in 1999. Effectively the Congress is heading a minority government and with a prime minister who was never elected directly by the people. On the contrary he holds his membership of the Rajya Sabha thanks to an outlandish residential address he gave in the remote state of Assam to avoid a challenge even for a safe seat in the upper house.
Seems like Javed Naqvi is now realizing that Congress party is in minority. Welcome into world of coalition politics. He may be new but with bubbling regional aspirations and enough reason to quarrel on limited resources, Coalition politics is the order of the day and that said, whoever can establish a workable coalition, will rule the country. I am not sure what point is he trying to make here ?
Worse has happened in the subversion of Indian democracy, which is not unrelated to an agenda to transform its foreign policy and economy to dovetail with external minders. It has not been widely discussed that there would be no economic reforms of Dr Manmohan Singh had a clutch of tribal MPs from Jharkhand not been bribed, as was only subsequently proved in the court of law which also convicted the guilty to prison sentences. So its was bribery that saved the government, in which Dr Singh was finance minister, from being voted out in a close confidence test. It has never been asked as far as I know what the then finance minister thought of the way his globally applauded agenda was actually predicated on an underhand vote in parliament.It has also not been sufficiently discussed how a so-called thriving democracy went all out to prevent Sonia Gandhi, the person who actually won the mandate, if there was one, in 2004 from being sworn in as prime minister.
It’s a far fetched idea to assume that coalition era that has come to stay in Indian political situation is because of any external influence even though one can not ignore the power of fertile mind that Javed Naqvi seems to have. He can take his own spin on the events of history and argue external forces are responsible for the current state of affairs. To me it seems as if he does not want India to have the civil nuclear agreement with US and it is possible that a sovereign democratic setup like that of India, political pressures of coalition politics may eventually abort such an agreement, but if this happens, it will be against Indian National Interests. It is democracy my friend ! I do not want foreign born nationals to hold India’s topmost post and protests are legal and perfectly democratic way of expressing one view point. Same is the case is US ? Will you mind doing some fact checks ?
The orchestrated move by the opposition to stall her by brazenly unconstitutional means, the bizarre fall in the stock market in alleged fear of Gandhi’s coronation (the truth of which is yet to be made public) and the keenness shown by some from within the Congress who shored up as the alternative choice a person who was best credited with policies that lost the Congress the elections in 1996 would make for a gripping thriller.
I am not sure what opposition moves were unconstitutional ? What is the role expected of opposition. I am sure if there is any truth of some kind of conspiracy in the fall of stock market in the context of Gandhi’s coronation, it should come out. I would like to hear it. Seems like there are some facts that Mr Javed Naqvi is hiding from all of us and we demand that those facts be made public. I would love to read a gripping thriller ! I wonder if external forces are responsible for the events of Indian political setup and are hatching conspiracy of some kind against Indian interests, why didn’t they(the external forces) find Sonia Gandhi to be an unsuitable candidate ! That does not make sense.
The question of why despite all the numbers she had in May 2004 Ms Gandhi was forced to make what came to be known as a much celebrated ‘sacrifice’ has not been asked either. It should be of interest to anyone who has seen last week’s revelations by her former close aide and foreign minister Natwar Singh. According to this revelation, Sonia Gandhi was initially opposed to the nuclear deal with the United States. It is significant and most probably an accurate account of the story because the truth of how an independent minded potential leader was sidelined and a pliable one installed in her place is couched somewhere there.
Now Javed Naqvi is trying to portray Sonia Gandhi as the greatest political leader with an inspiring vision for the country. Someone who can see the pitfalls of nuclear deal (which I fail to see) and was opposed to it on its merit (or lack thereof).
There is of course no palpable link between a democracy or a dictatorship and a government’s tendency to compromise its sovereignty in the name of national interest. Indira Gandhi’s emergency rule, which lasted for 19 months, is a good example of a dictatorial government that refused to budge on its foreign policy or its stated economic principles. Conversely, the Janata Party, a coalition of disparate interests, which rode a tide of popular support, though briefly, was able to put the focus sharply on “genuine non-alignment”, euphemism for a markedly pro-American tilt.
We have been recognized by everyone inside India or outside the world that even though we were a leading Non-Aligned Nation, we were heavily inclined towards Soviet empire. This is the first time, I am hearing that genuine non-alignment is a euphemism for a markedly pro-American tilt. Well done twisting the facts !
In Pakistan by contrast the one leader who challenged the traditional military-led alliance with the West was summarily hanged. His successors are perceived to be under pressure to give up their populist rhetoric in favour of a free-market mantra being practised by the current dispensation led by Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz.
Is he referring to Mr Bhutto ? Did Mr Bhutto challenged the military led alliance with the West or the military ? Again a perfect example were Mr Naqvi is conveniently ignoring the facts and twisting it to suit his own argument.
Neo-con economic policies are thus being pursued at will right across South Asia, from Afghanistan and Pakistan in the west, to India and Bangladesh in the east and Sri Lanka (which still calls itself a socialist republic!) in the south. It is being licked into shape by former Citibank executive Shaukat Aziz in Pakistan, or a bevy of former World Bank executives surrounding the prime minister of India as advisers, or Fakhruddin Ahmed, a Princeton-educated former World Bank employee who is heading a somewhat unending looking interim government in Bangladesh with the military’s support.
I am amazed. Seems like market friendly practices are only restricted in South Asia ? I am sure China is opposed to it and is not reaping the rewards of market friendly economy. On the same note, most of the countries outside South Asia hate the Market friendly policies !Benazir Bhutto on her return to Karachi after eight years in exile had remarked that she had come there to serve the poor of Pakistan. This is not quite the impression we are left with if we read for example what Salman Shah, economic adviser to Pakistan’s prime minister, had told me in September. What Mr Shah had said presents a different story. Any new government in Pakistan following fresh elections, he stressed, must continue the current economic policies if the 7 per cent plus growth is to be maintained or even overhauled.“This is an election year,” he said in September. “Election year in Pakistan is always boisterous and you have a very high decibel levels. And ultimately I think the electorate always gives a good result. Right now our economy is doing very well. Growth rate is 7 per cent plus. Stock market is very high, foreign investments are coming in at a level that was unthinkable seven years ago. So I think the economic growth has weathered the political decibels.”
I am sure having a growth rate of 7 percent is a bad thing because that is only possible because of the market friendly economic policies and as such all of the world is ready to surrender its sovereignty. I can see that NORTH KOREA is not ready to surrender its sovereignty and as such must have massive economic prosperity based on ideas proposed by Mr Javed Naqvi.
Asked if the free-market policies of the present government could be reviewed by a new party in power, particularly given PPP’s history of populism in the country, Mr Shah said: “We believe that whoever comes into power would have to follow (our) policies. We have a very independent media, we have an independent judiciary and we have, I think, very well informed people.“So any mismanagement of the economy will not be tolerated — for the simple reason that the bench-marks that have been established in Pakistan in terms of fiscal management, in terms of monetary policy, in terms of exchange rate policies would brook no lowering of the bar,” Mr Shah said. “And the level of the growth, and the level of the investment, if it is not better than before, if any government will not be able to maintain it, will have a very tough time surviving.”
And that leads to surrendering sovereignty. Wonderful !
Does the description by Mr Shah of the state of the economy in September come anywhere close to the bleak picture painted by Gen Pervez Musharraf in the reasons he cited to proclaim emergency? And yet economic priorities can’t be far behind in his agenda to align the country with the prescriptions from abroad. He can of course always say, not without a degree of authority, that the same policies could just as easily be pursued under the cover of democracy, like in India.Wonderful, so idea of emergency is a prescription form abroad ? Sure Gen. Musharraf is doing it for US and other international interests and not for his personal desire to cling to power under any circumstance. I am sure Gen. Mussharraf is a very pious and is not corrupted by the power he is enjoying for last 8 years. Yes absolute power corrupts absolutely but leaves a few like Gen. Mussharraf.
I am not sure if I agree with the comments here. Some of my analysis on Tehelka Exposured is posted at Tehelkaexposed.wordpress.com. Check it out. Blamming BJP un-necessarily will not prove any point (unless you are hell bent on doing just that)
Wow!,
so who is this genius who’s trumpheting about BJP without even identifying who the hell this person is?.
BJP has to be banned, if not now, sooner or later, it is going to happen.
But wait, Modi’s days of enjoying life time in jail or death sentence is not too far, if India is not going to take care of Modi, the international human rights people will, it might take a while but he is detined to be tried in the international human rights violation and genocide.
hope you will get some sleep…..and Modi too?.
Hello Saint,
I am sure you dont like my presence here. I am writer of the blog Tehelkaexposed.wordpress.com and came across this blog and thought of putting my viewpoint as comments. I am sure, you are perturbed at the hearing a viewpoint that is at odds with what you or the writer of atrocitynews.wordpress.com might be leading us all to believe. I hope you will not carry out the atrocity of suppressing my voice. That said, let me know what you felt wrong about. I do not believe in the neutral character and fairness of Tehelka news title “Gujarat 200: The Truth” simply because its not fair. It does not follow same procedures and yardstick to measure both sides of the coin. Had they done that, it would have been OK to accept the findings.
-Anil
I have identified myself Saint. My name is Anil and I would be expecting a Saintly act from you as well – please reveal your identity and be responsible for your words.
-Anil
The synonym of Bharatiya Janta Party is Hindustan Nazi Party.
I do not agree with the synonym present by Maoist Revolutionary. Bharatiya Janata Party means Bhartiya Janata Party. I am sure Maoist/Naxalitte movement have Nazi like cruelity in it and come close to being Nazis in cruelity committed.
Hindus are born barbaric ,India is being ruled by hindus and their highly corrupt leaders.time has come dalits,muslims,christians and Buddhist should demand for seprate electorate ,which was given by british in 1935.there would be no use of democracy where hindus who are in majority will vote for Modi and their RSS goons.their is no black color in Indian flag so no use to call iNdia as democratic country .India is country ruled by corrupt hindus.
I wonder at the comments of kureela. Kureela is making a claim that “Hindus are born Babaric”. Can Kureela elaborate on that please. By Hindu, is the reference only to Hindu Uppers castes (who would be in minority among Hindu relion as such on plain statistics) or she is Referring to everyone including Dalits ??? I wonder why Kureela thinks that Muslims would consider themselves at the level of Dalits. Muslims are one of the most discriminating people on the planet earth. (I have heard inteviews of Islamic Jehadist forces based in Afganistan and Pakistan where Islamists claim that Arabic Muslims are better Muslims than rest of the Muslim world. These same Muslims are causing havoc in DARFUR region of SUDAN where they have KILLED/TORTURED/RAPED and DISPLACES MILLIONS of BLACK AFRICANS who incidently are also Muslims but not of Arabic descent). Muslims could not even live with the Hindus and others and got a separate electorate in the form of PAKISTAN/BANGLADESH. All of the news site from Pakistan are filled in with venom against dark skinned people of India. Can you tell me who among Hindu groups are associated with dark skin. Muslims are highly racist and mean group. Is Kureela only taking about the Dalits who got converted and became Muslim in paste few hundred years ??? And if upper castes are not in majority and majority is voting for Modi than I am confused ? Does she mean to say that even lower castes and Dalits are voing for Mr Modi ? Do you know that Modi is also from scheduled caste and is not a Brahmin ?
I am sure Muslim never had caste system. They never had to. They were not kind enough on the peole they conquered. Instead of creating the SIN of letting the conquered masses live in deprived conditions, which is the case based on Aryan theory, they go for total annihilation and thats what has happened all across the world. You and your generation wont live to have a life without dignity. There is NO LIFE for looser in Muslim world.
Anil,
I applaud you for identifying yourself and responding to my message. At the outset, your message is so apparant with the typical thinking of a hindu Indian. You wrote (refer your previous message) that you were not wellcomed or your views are not accepted here. You are wrong on thinking like that on both accounts.
Neither atrocitynews, nor myself (Saint, the earlier responder to your message) would have thought to suppress your views, you had already imagned otherwise, I feel sorry for you.
Hope you will open up your mind so that the thoughts flow without fear or mutilation. My message clearly emphasis the ambiquous understanding you had on BJP. You said the bladming BJP is not going to help in anyways, the truth is BJP is the real culprit here and every single action of atrocity politically motivated in India arises and ends under the BJPs belly (from top to bottom, all the BJP politicians are extremists, if at all there are some exceptions, that would be the ordinary BJP voters and some BJP loyalists).
There are plenty of resources, evidences that you can find all over. There were massacres after massacres carried out in India with direct involvement of BJP leaders. So, it is quite natural of the victims and good natured humans in India and abroad to not only hate BJP but also try to bring this barbarians to bear the responsiblity of derailing India.
It would be a utter waste of time to talk about this barbaric political group or all those VHP, Bajrang Dal extremist groups. So, I am not going to waste my time on them, why do not we look at things rationally and constructively. BJP needs to be banned and Modi should go to jail. My advice to you is to go help some needy Indians, some poor people, it would be a great service than wasting time on talking about BJP.
I am the “saint” and I am the author of : http://upliftthem.blogspot.com, a blog to help, support, uplift and bring the dignity to dalits.
Hope you are happy now.
goodluck
Saint
WoW
Anil, do not say Modi is an SC, it is a greatest shame to our society and nation to refer this animal Modi as an SC, he just can’t be an SC nor an ST.
Saint
Saint, I am glad to see your response. I hope you will identify yourself with your first name as I did in my case. That said, please check the facts about Mr Modi. He is not a Brahmin. Do you think that BJP is as barbaric as Alquaida or numerous other Jehadi outfits ? Is it really a waste of time talking about them ? I do not subscribe to that theory. Do you think that BJP has killed more people for that matter than any one else ? Dont you agree that Islamist Jehadists/Militants (Lashker-E-Toiba, Jaish-A-Mohamnad- and 100s of other such terror outfits) of Kashmir have killed far more people than BJP (assuming your statements are correct) ? Speak up. How about lives lost in Pujab Militancy ? How about naxalite movements and lives lost there ? How about Problems in North East (where poor Hindi speaking labours are being killed at will) or other millitant outputs who want to move away from India ? How about Darfur where millions have been perished ? How about Cambodia and Khmer roughe and millions of live lost ? How about Iraqi losses ? How about Afganistan ? Have you heard of terror infected in varios countries of Africa or South America ? Do you want me to go into details ? In this whole world, you only find BJP/VHP as the worst offenders and barbaric people. NOTHING CAN BE FURTHER FROM TRUTH.
Hay name less Tehelka ,you hindus are born barbaric and corrupt.every six hours ,one dalit women is being raped by your hindu clan and every 12 hour ,one dalit man is being killed by cow drunkad hindus.Mr Modi belongs to OBC caste not dalits.you hindus are surviving in India because of cow shits hindu media.dalits are Buddhist not hindus who made untouchable by DWARF Adi shankracharya.Muslims are blood brother of Dalits.Dalits should embrace the Aurangjeb and Jinnha who librated the converted dalits to seprate nation.time has come muslims,Buddhist ,Christian and dalits should demand for seprate electorate because their is no black color in Indian Flag.
MODI IS PIG WHO BELONG TO OBC CASTE ,TIME HAS COME, MIDDLE EAST AND EUROPE AND AMERICA SHOULD BANN THESE HINDUS IN THEIR COUNTRIES WHO ARE SPONGI.THROW THESE HINDUS FROM MIDDLE EAST FIRST BECAUSE THEY DRAINING PETROL DOLLER WHICH ARE BEING USED AGAINST THE MUSLIMS AND DALIT GENOCIDE IN iNDIA.
Anil,
By the way, where is Darpur?, where is Khmer located?. While you write an myraid of voilence incidences in the WORLD, you simply have no idea about your own backyard and your brethern’s getting killed by bloodthirsty hindu fundamentalists in the name of VHP, BJP and BajrangDal.
Do you have any slightest idea about Khairlanji massacre, do you have a slightest idea or any knowledge about Sundar carnage (in AP). Do you know, where is Kolar in India and did you ever showed your ears to Kamballapalli massacre?. Which list do you want to provide here, your own countrymen getting killed by hard core hindu believers or some other nations or global voilence issues.
Not a single mention of the voilence that is taking place in India in your message except the sikh temple issue. Is this a lack of knowledge or is it that hindu’s are sick thinkers about the problems in home rather than talking about world issues in which they can’t make any sense of belonging?. While India has 45% of people living below poverty line, how dare you waste your energy to talk about Afganistan, Iraq, combodia or any other African nations, go look at your backyard first and then we make a meaningful discussion about whether or not hindu’s are useful or worthless people in the modern society.
I am not sure why Saint want to categorize suffering of dalits or pain of dalits (which no doubt is very much there) as far more important than that of other human beings who have faced not just similar but far more worse type of suffering. If pain or suffering that has a definition and if it comes from acts of discrimination, injustice, social and economical disparity, forceful acts of rape and killings, torture, displacement and demoralizing insensitivity of the world at large, than that applies to all human beings. I accept that Dalits have suffered a lot and that sufferings needs to alleviated and causes addressed and I also understand that not all of us are sensitive to it. It is required that we address issue of plight of dalits. But that said, approach of Saint to categorize pain of Dalits as more important and superior in quality to that of people in Darfur, Sudan or for that matter anywhere else in the world, is strange. Saint hates caste system because it lead to different kind of treatments to different section of society but wants to create a caste system when sympathies or mere mention has to be made of all major tragedies of the world. If I were to believe from hisw worlds, he will have a following caste order in which all energy and efforts of the world should only be concentrated on alleviating suffering of Dalits and if someone merely makes a mentions of other tragedy in totally different context, it becomes a bit too much to digest.
Some 4 million people have been affected by ethnic and political conflict in the Darfur region of Sudan. This is happening now and is even worse than worst form of caste system ever practised in India. Check the links below.
http://www.unicefusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=duLRI8O0H&b=50755&gclid=CIP9gu6zw48CFQIQFQoddUWMXg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur_conflict
http://www.savedarfur.org/content?splash=yes
Answerin Kureela question, I am not nameless ( I have identified myself as Anil which is my real name..not like Saint or Kureela). Rest of the statements from Kureela are junk written by someone who has zero understanding of facts of ground or reality whether its India or abroad.